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  1. Haven't been to these forums in a long while. Wanted to mention that I finally did buy a second Stacker 830, about a month ago, and moved all of the wife's components into it. I noticed that some of the included 830 parts were slightly different, and the serial number was indeed higher, so clearly it's an updated version of my case. One part that differed was the slot covers. Don't know if that means any thing. I suppose I should compare them side by side, something I never thought of doing until now after receiving an e-mail notification that this thread had been updated. Anyways, her motherboard is an ASUS P4P800-E Deluxe and the only card that is in use is an AGP one, the BFG 6800GT OC. Twice in the past month or so I've had to go in and wiggle it to get it working again for the same reason stated by Adrenaline. It's elevated a bit off the bracket near the back of the case and over time causes the card to lose it's connection with the AGP slot. I just can't get the card all the way in at that one end, to get it to sit perfectly flush with the motherboard. Kind of a pain but not the end of the world. It's a minor inconvenience really, especially with such a great case all around, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to mention it either.
  2. Hmm, I'm not sure how sending private messages are looked upon by Cooler Master staff. I know we can't post about competitors products in the public forums. Since your message sounds like you're asking which case I got to replace my Stacker 830, that is backwards if I've understood you correctly. What I said earlier is that I replaced a very "sucky" case with the Stacker 830, and that the Stacker 830 is great, one of the best IMHO. I'm pretty picky, but if I were as picky as some others around here, there simply wouldn't be a good enough case in existence to satisfy me. Basically what I'm saying is that if someone buys and doesn't like the Stacker 830, they are going to be hard pressed to find something they are truly 100% happy with because it really doesn't get much better than this. Does that mean the Stacker 830 doesn't have problems? Heck no, it has a few, but they are hardly deal breakers, plus CM will always continue to improve on their designs and provide support where needed, everyone just needs to be patient. A lot of what went into the 830 is because they listened to their customers. Improvements to this one, and the design of the next case, will certainly be made with the same considerations to the users needs I'm sure. Yes, thank you for writing. I truly don't know how I broke the forum rules this time around since I did know better and have always been careful ever since I first joined up here and learned of it the hard way hehe. The only things I can think of were that I somehow thought I was actually on another forum, or was dead tired when I made that post because, to tell you the truth, I honestly don't remember making the reference to the case I did lol.
  3. XenoS

    810/830 Mesh Window

    My set up is for positive pressure too. One intake on the 4-In-3 device, one exhaust in the rear (plus the power supply), and two intake in the side panel (one is over the PWM area on my DFI SLI-DR board, and the other is over the PCI slot area). All four are Cooler Master SUF-S12-EB fans. The only dust I've really seen is what the dust filters catch. Finer stuff has been settling on the floor of the case I've noticed though. Considering past experiences with other cases, including one that was designed around negative pressure, this one is quite good decent at repelling dust and keeping it out from where it doesn't belong by comparison. This makes it much easier to clean too. Actually I reinstalled my four drive silencers and took the 4-In-3 device module out today. I added the black stock fan that comes with the Stacker 830 into the side fan panel near the hard drives as an exhaust and have been playing with different configs lately (trying to help out someone in another forum having VGA heat issues). Seems to help all temps very slightly, both when the 4-In-3 was in and when it wasn't. Still not 100% sure though to be honest. Based on feel, this fan seems to have slightly better CFM than the stock LED one, or any of the SUF-S12 ones. Have never been able to find specs on it though. Anyways, if I swap the lower two fans in the side panel so that the black stock one is instead exhausting air from the PCI slots area and the SUF-S12 is blowing air into the case near the hard drives, my video card idle temps jump up 3C right away (load went up about 8C!), and all other temps (CPU, chipset, PWM, etc) dropped by 2 degrees celcius. Hard drive temps, when in the 4-In-3 device module, dropped by a lot in this config, almost to ambient which is generally between 18 and 22 degrees celcius (we try to keep it at 19C). The point of me saying all this? Don't assume anything when it comes to airflow lol. Play around to find what's best, as it could end up being something other than what you would have guessed.
  4. What the heck!? Did I post the name of a case from another manufacturer? I don't recall actually doing that. I learned the rule regarding this a while back when I first signed up and ever since have made it a point not to mention the name of other companies products. Man, that blows me away. I must have been out of it or something. If a mod has the time, maybe they could PM me what I originally said. Otherwise I'm going to end up thinking I'm completely nuts, lol.
  5. Interesting, has me thinking about buying one again. Got screenshots anywhere?
  6. I recently purchased four hard drive silencers and have been messing around with those for the past several weeks. They have no cooling at all, and there is really no room for a fan to blow over them, and definitely no room for air to pass between them. The thing I noticed, compared to the 4-In-3 module and a couple of other high end aluminum cases I have, is that the 4-In-3 module actually does a very good job at minimizing noise (especially read/write noise) by isolating the drives from direct contact with the case. The HDD silencers I bought are really good at getting rid of the high pitched whine all HD's make (from spinning platters), but surprisngly are a bit worse than the 4-In-3 when it comes to read/write noise. They are made of aluminum, and despite the fact that they are well designed and constructed (interior is foam on all sides), they may be amplifying this particular noise due to direct metal on metal contact with the case. I'll agree that steel sucks, especially since it adds unwanted weight, but it's highly possible that aluminum might have been noisier since it's more rigid and brittle than steel. And perhaps aluminum might have helped in heat dissipation as you said, but I find it unlikely. I base this opinion on something I read a while ago about steel vs aluminum in case construction, and how dissipation is a commonly held belief (don't ask, I don't remember where, but it made sense). For what it;s worth, I have four drives, two 74GB Raptors and two 300GB Maxtors. To be honest, despite the fact that there is very little room for air flow between the drives, the whole 4-In-3 contraption still cools extremely well. They are generally betwen 26-30 celcius, pretty much all the time.
  7. Only one cut? You clearly haven't been doing a whole lot inside your case then. My hands are covered in them, nasty scrapes too, and I've had to clean up blood a number of times since building my latest PC (in Nov 05, moved to the 830 in Jan 06). The worst is when you don't realize you've been cut. They you really get blood everywhere and have to find it all lol. Anyways, all side panels are a pain, doesn't matter which case it is lol. Like others have said, there is a sort of trick to it. Once you've mastered it, putting the panels back on will be super easy every time. I wish I owned a video camera, then I'd make a short video tutorial on how to do it that also shows how easy it is. Maybe someone at Cooler Master should think about doing exactly this since it's a common complaint. Then people can just be pointed towards that which would save everyone some trouble, heh.
  8. Adding components, especially to the 5-1/4 bays, will certainly add to this cases solidity. I will say though that before I added any components at all, I found the Stacker 830 to be very solid for being made of aluminum. Much more so that the two other high end aluminum cases I have of another brand. I've always assumed this is why it weighs so much despite being made of a aluminum. There is a lot of it and much of it isn't thin. I find it really odd that yours doesn't seem to appear to be as solid as mine is. I'm not going to sugar coat it. As you yourself said, you're disabled. You don't say how much in your post, but I'm guessing the problems you're having with the side panels surely stems from this fact. However, I won't deny it, you are indeed correct when you say the side panels can be difficult to get back on. I found them to be so at first too. Then I discovered the secret after a few days of patient experimenting, when ever I needed to put a panel back on after fiddling around inside my PC. You have to work your way along the bottom slowly and carefully, pushing in as you go so that the panel lines up and simply falls into place. The top will take care of itself once you have the hang of it. Then it will slide in without any trouble at all. It actually becomes very simple with a bit of practice. Regarding being lured in by reviews, well I won't sugar coat that either lol. Personally, I don't trust any reviews anymore. Sure, they are good for information and pictures, but nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds them. There are a lot of review sites out there, so it's surely a very competitive field. Give a bad review and you'll find the company you burned no longer willing to send you gear for free to test. Not only that, but review sites always seem to miss something critical. Besides the fact that most don't do a very thorough job either, they also lack long term use with the products they review since the items have to go back to whom they belong to within a reasonable amount of time. Generally I try to base buying decisions on other folks who have bought the product in question, though in this case I based my purchase of the Stacker 830 on specs and photos primarily, after looking at pretty much every case in existence (twice). So, I took a risk, and thankfully I'm more than happy with mine. Sure, it's not perfect and has a number of areas that could be improved, especially for the price you pay. I too have had some of the issues you and others mention, like cards being difficult to get in (but not impossible) and the side panels which I've already discussed. But none of those issues are truly THAT bad. Sure, maybe I was one of the "lucky ones" as you put it, but I highly doubt it based on my experiences with this case. Anyways, I'm sure Cooler Master is working on the problem and will help out all the people that need it. These things take time, and I know you probably don't want to hear it, but you'll have to be patient like everyone else. Despite it all, it's still a fantastic case IMHO, the best I've ever had in fact, and I actually plan on buying a second for the wife (or a black one for myself if they were to make such a beast soon). Good luck, and I hope things work out for you.
  9. Hmm, that's interesting. I've found it to be quite good when it comes to dust compared to the case my 830 replaced, an competing case. Now that thing was a dust magnet lol. It was designed around negative pressure, so dust built up quickly around every single crack and crevice, and especially around devices installed in the front bays. Even though the 830 has a lot of mesh, I'm finding all the dust is ending up in it's filters since I have things set up for positive pressure. Actually, of all the cases I've owned this one is so far the best at repelling dust. My home is VERY dusty too for what it's worth, and it's been a serious problem for a long time now when it comes to all the PC's I've owned. Of course, my fan set up is different than yours obviously, so that probably has something to do with it. I've actually gone minimalistic in order to silence everything as much as possible. It's amazing how quiet this case can be despite it's design. I was originally using the stock cooling provided, with two extra 120mm 1200 RPM / 39 cfm intake fans in the side panel. Recently I pulled the black stock fan out, moved the Cooler Master LED one to the rear as the exhaust, and replaced the two side panel ones with Cooler Master's 120mm UV fans (1220 RPM / 42 cfm). I'm no longer using the 4-In-3 Device Module since I moved my four HDD's to fully enclosed drive silencers. Also added a rheobus fan controller the other day and have the CPU, NF4, GPU, and all three case fans on it. No trouble keeping eveything cool despite how quiet my setup is, and dust intake seems to have lessened as well. Yep, I really love this case lol.
  10. Motherboards I've mounted in other cases have usually used #2 & #4, so when I got my Stacker 830 I assumed this would be the correct ones to use. However, turns out the correct ones according to the manual were actually #4 & #6. I'm guessing those will be the correct ones for the Stacker 810 as well. Hopefully someone will confirm. Doesn't it say which to use in your manual? Anyways, #2 is used for floppy and CDROM drives, while #6 is also used for hard drives, case construction usually, and PCI/AGP card slot (unless you have thumbscrews). #5 is indeed for fans. Hope that helps a little. I have no idea what #1 and #3 are for though.
  11. Uh oh, I went for a cat scan last month. I'm doomed! Seriously though, even if you heavily shield your PC so EM can't escape, your not really doing anything to escape the stuff. You would have to shield your entire home, and every electronic component you have. Don't forget all the electrical wiring in your home as well. If we all lived to be 1000, then maybe I'd be more concerned. As long as your not living under one of those high voltage electrical towers I think you'll be fine. Now those have been proven to be bad IIRC. When your radio stops working every time you drive under one (and good luck avoiding them!) you know it probably can't be good for your long term health lol.
  12. Don't know why your worried about EM beyond interference with electrical devices. From the day you are born you live in a world saturated with EM, and would be even if electrical devices did not exist at all lol. After all, what do you think protects us all from solar radiation? Anyways, when I built my system and tried to use onboard sound with both my last case and this one, there was too much interference. I could lessen it a little bit by shifting the cable but in the end I bought a Creative X-Fi Platinum. Problem solved.
  13. I have the Stacker 830, as well as a case from a competitor which also has the same internal audio connector. If you study any case that has internal audio connectors, you'll find they seem to be built around some particular standard, having to do with onboard sound most likely (on motherboards), and are all pretty much the same these days. Some cases keep the connector for each pin separate as well, though I don't think this is quite as common. Cooler Master went a step higher and provided for all possibilties with the 830 which shows their attention to detail IMHO. For what it's worth, both of my cases worked fine as is with the Karajan module on my DFI motherboard. I would say it's Creative's fault primarily for not realizing there is a standard to follow and supplying the proper pins/cables. Because of their monopolistic nature they have always been one to try to set closed standards however, and not follow the open ones, so your problem should not be much of a surprise when you think about it. You could probably make a mod yourself if you can figure out which pin does what on your sound card, but realize that each model can potentially be slightly different. I noticed this recently when looking at the Live Drive cables for my Sound Blaster Platinum, Audigy 2 Platinum, and X-Fi Platinum.
  14. Found another minor issue with the Stacker 830. All the slits for mounting screws in the 5-1/4 bays are much too short. Overlooked perhaps because of the emphasis on a tooless design? Anyways, it would be nice if they ran all the way from front to back, or if at least there was an extra slit a little farther to the rear of each bay. I just received four Nexus Drive-A-Way HDD silencers, all silver, and I can't put the front filter brackets back on. If I could have mounted these slightly farther back (and I do mean slightly), it would not be an issue. There is plenty of room to move them back too, but no where for the screws if I do that lol. I'll have to buy a drill and bit set so I can make some new holes. If I had known this was going to be an issue I would have bought black HDD silencers instead of silver, but personally I'd still rather put the front filters back on since I feel that looks better. Plus if I can move the silencers far enough back, there may be enough room for a 120mm fan in front of them as well, though so far temps are only 1C higher than they were with the 4-in-3 module so maybe it won't be needed (only have two silencers installed at the moment though).
  15. It's not the fan panel, and it's easy to get back in once you have the hang of it. Carefully work along the length of the bottom of the panel until the top is lined up, then it will slide in very easily just like when you removed it. It's something that takes practice once you've studied it closely a few times to see what's happening. Edit: Once again I miss the fact that there is another page of posts lol.